Feb 13 2017 Meeting Notes

NBN6 Meeting Notes 

February 13, 2017


Facilitator:  Lisa Reagan

Refreshments:  Neighbor Good Grant/Judy Lee Hay



Discussion notes are “coded” in the following way:

Q = Question

A = Answer

C = Comment



  1. Introductions


  1.  Crime Prevention Reports


GENESEE SECTION (UR, Upper Mt. Hope, Lilac/Azalea neighborhoods) – Officer Carl Dickerson


  • Our stats indicated a large increase in larcenies (50), however we found that 43 of the 50 occurred at the University of Rochester/Hospital. So there was no significant increase in the residential neighborhoods.
  • The City now has new crime mapping software! Try it out. It presents the same information the police have access to.  Users can search by street, last 10 or 30 days, etc.
  • Hopefully we can get the information from the speed monitor we promised to you next month.


Written Report from Officer Carl Dickerson:


There were no significant cases in the past month.


Thefts continue to be an issue in the section.  3 packages were taken off their porches on Redfern Dr, and 2 different dates at the same address in the 1700 block of South Ave.  Another employee had their jacket taken off their chair at work (they didn’t have anything in the pockets).  And a few thefts from MV occurred due to things in the open.


GOODMAN SECTION  (Highland Park, Swillburg neighborhoods)Lieutenant Alberti


Homicides – none

Rapes – none

Robbery – One on Cayuga St, Jan 15, around 10:40 pm. A wallet & cell phone taken. Woman pushed down her steps. We have some leads on that.

Burglary – One Low on Washburn Park: a window opened in a garage.


Brief description of incident on Oakland Street: sent by Lt. Alberti


Assault/Grand Larceny Investigation CR#17-32990

100 blk of Oakland St. on 2/11/17 at 8:30 pm.


Officers responded to the 100 blk of Oakland St. for a report of a fight.  Upon arrival, officers located 2 victims and another male.  (both of Oakland St.) The victim reports that all three were coming home and when they pulled down the street she observed a large group of teenage boys in the street.  She stopped to see what was going on and rolled the window down.  At this time one of the teens reached in the car and slapped the victim in the face.  The victim then speed away toward the house and pulled over.  Both the V and her husband exited the car and went out after the group and an altercation followed.  The victim was struck in the face by a plastic snow shovel and her purse was taken.  All suspects fled the scene and police checked the area for them.  Although some possible suspects were taken into custody, neither victims nor the PK could identify.  The case has been fielded for follow up.


S1 – m/b/teenager with dark clothing

S2 – m/b/teen wearing dark clothing.


This situation was worsened by the fact that the victims took matters into their own hands. Always call the police!


  1. Was it a resident of Oakland St?
  2. One was, other from Victor.


CENTRAL/DOWNTOWN SECTION (South Wedge) – Lt. Rob Wilson


There has been an increase in car larcenies: people trying to pry car windows open with coat hanger. Plain clothes police caught two suspects. One victim did not call the police, and the same guy went on to break into another car. He was later found to possess items from the unreported break victim.


Written Crime Report:  https://nbn6.files.wordpress.com/2017/02/central-section-crime-list-jan-feb-2017-meeting.pdf


  1. Sale of Calvary St. Andrews Church –John Wilkinson, Presbytery Representative, and Pastor of 3rd Presbyterian Church, East Ave


After our minister, the Reverend Judy Lee Hay, retired after long & distinguished ministry, the congregation dwindled rapidly in size. At that time the Presbytery formed a committee to make decisions on two aspects of the future of Calvary St Andrews (CSA) Church: the congregation, and the buildings of the Church. I chair this committee.


This is part of a general trend in religion in US: churches being sold as congregations shrink. According to New York State law, congregations don’t own their own buildings, the Presbytery does.


Two decisions were made: Not to close the church immediately, services continue to be offered, but there is no pastor.


The Food Program in conjunction with Food Link at CSA has continued unchanged. Some volunteers have been doing heroic work to keep things going.


We currently have two sets of recommendations: for the congregation and for the building. The building may or may not sell. All options are on the table. We’re working really, really hard for some entity of the Presbytery to maintain ownership of the building. Of course we need to cover costs – certain things, like the heating plant, need work. We are looking for ways to fund this.


If we cannot keep the building, two things will continue: We would build into the sale a commitment to continuing the food program, and continuation of some kind of worship, education, strong community presence.


I am committed to how critical the CSA location is to the neighborhood. Want to avoid changing ownership of building.


  1. I heard the same thing said about the Calvary Church on South Ave. Then that church was torn down. I’d hate to see that happen here. It’s important to have a minister going into the neighborhood and proselytizing. The minister builds the congregation.
  2. Point about leadership is taken.


  1. Is the Presbytery prepared to do some minor repairs?
  2. Our group is encouraging the Presbytery to make some investment in the building: a few major repairs, and to pay off a loan. Then the next step is to figure out running costs, monthly, and yearly. A diocese or Presbytery doesn’t want to be a landlord or building owner. This will require a creative solution.


  1. Are neighbors involved in the committee?
  2. There are two congregation members. And we have had meetings with other neighbors.


C: I live across the street from the church, and I am VERY happy to hear the Presbytery would like to continue to own the church building.


  1. A few neighbors present tonight recently formed a subcommittee to apply to the City for Landmark Designation Status.
  2. This status would protect the chapel and sanctuary. The education building is more flexible – we would like to generate some income. If any of you are connected to nonprofits who need performance, meeting space, please let us know. We are interested.


Facilitator: We don’t have time for brainstorming on this issue tonight, but might be able to do that at a future meeting.


John Wilkinson: you can obtain contact information for me through Judy Lee Hay, or NBN6. Please contact me with questions, ideas. I would be happy to come and talk to any groups.


  1. 151 Mt. Hope Ave. Development – Commissioner Baye Muhammad, Supervising City Planner Doug Benson & City Planner Kevin Kelley


Baye Muhammed: The City of Rochester plans to develop this site. We want to have a series of community meetings to obtain community input. We don’t yet have a date for the RRFP.


We want a development that will include/serve the greater community.  And a more engaging, & create a safe way to cross Mt. Hope, and a way to connect to the trail, and the river. We want to increase jobs, and to increase commercial & residential living space. We don’t want to wall off the river; we want an inviting public space. Access is important, as is affordability.


More on: Public site & park improvements that will happen this summer. 


Kevin Kelley: There are actually multiple parcels in play, only one of which is the development site (151 Mt. Hope). 177 Mt Hope has the basketball courts and farmers market. Then there is Time Warner Cable’s property, and a strip of public land that contains the riverfront walkway.


151 Mt. Hope is a city owned lot. We have a three-sided opportunity: Mt Hope is a corridor in transition. People don’t feel comfortable crossing the street. Buildings will be built up to the street to establish the urban corridor. There will be a strong emphasis on the 1st floor of building. It needs to engage the street. This is an opportunity to restore what was once an urban corridor.


To the south, our goal is that a developer should engage the park. Active 1stfloor use to soften the edge between public & private space.


On the river-facing side: There is a large swath of land around the riverway. Park enhancements could change there. We have 200k grant from the Waterfront Revitalization Plan, that enables us to get a grant for design (not including construction) for park enhancements. The community will be engaged on this, especially how do we enhance the farmer’s market.


  1. What is size of the site?
  2. Around 2 acres.


  1. Will the community ideas developed for Waterfront Revitalization Plan (& something else) be integrated into this development?
  2. We do have time to integrate those.


  1. What is the time frame for all this, including engaging the community?
  2. We are engaging the community today, and, for next few months, Jeff Morosek will plan community meetings. (There were other meetings mentioned that already took place).


  1. Are these the meetings that took place at the Hamilton Tower about three years ago?
  2. Nancy Johns Price: Yes.


  1.  The proposals presented at that meeting included plans to move the basketball court, which we do not support.
  2.   Basketball court going, no.


  1. When will the official city RRFP come out?
  2. Definitely in 2017.


  1. Is there any environmental cleanup required?
  2. Kevin: there are environmental issues that need to be addressed.


Q Would the developer pay for abatement of environmental issues?

  1. Yes, or the State.


Q: I’ve been involved in the local Waterfront Revitalization Plan. Doug Benson was at this meeting 4 months ago. Paul Minor wrote up a piece describing that this community wants the riverfront to be developed first, and then later extend to developing near the street. I understand this document has to go to the State, then the City, then the State. Will this development be in compliance?

  1. Doug Benson: Once we make the changes to the WRP document that the State has requested, they approve it, then it goes to City Council for approval, then back to the State for final approval. The City has a Local Consistency Law, Type 1, so the developer would fill out a consistency form. This would be held over the head of the developer.


  1. If the process for approval of the LWRP extends beyond the next few month timetable for community engagement and planning for these three different development proposals, will the LWRP control this development?
  2. We will make sure the wording of the RRFP is consistent with the LWRP.


  1. In the development along the river trail next to the Dinosaur, how much of Morgan’s first floor relates to public use & access, or are we just applying the cantilevered walkway there to get around the development?
  2. We can’t address that in that development because it is being built on private property, but let’s deal with that here in this proposal, which is a City owned parcel being developed.


  1. When does the $200K for Gateway need to be spent by?
  2. We can look into that.


  1. As was done with Charlotte Square, will the proposal go more likely to the developer who pays most for the land?
  2. Not necessarily.


Q: The River is such an important resource for people to PLAY on. Our concern, if we build along Mt Hope, is that we will lose this recreational resource.


  1. I’ve lived in Chicago and Toronto, both cities with extensive waterfronts. Chicago made a commitment to keep theirs green, as parklands for miles and miles, which is a beautiful asset for the city. Toronto, on the other hand, has built theirs up. Once you build things, you cant easily take them away.  I hope that Rochester would take this opportunity to do with 151 Mt. Hope, something to put a feather in our cap, rather than just to line the city’s pockets.


Also, at the most recent Rochester CDC lecture, the city planner for Detroit explained how Detroit’s citizens review the RFPs for development. Detroiters made clear they wanted to keep their riverfront for public access, and pushed development further back from the river.


  1. We can do all of this. We aren’t talking about taking away parkland.


  1. Are there design/ scale guidelines? Parking?
  2. Height would be 3 – 6 stories, and we have to pay close attention to parking.


  1. Time Warner has a fenced off area. Is there a way of trading that off for parking?
  2. We are trying to make contact with the new owner, Spectrum. We’re not getting any response.


Facilitator: There’s an open survey on the NBD – the neighborhood could really benefit from people responding to this survey. For example, are the business permits useful for you? A registry allows neighborhood to have contact with the people who have applied for permits. Please consider responding.



  1. Karges Place Development at601 South Goodman – Steve DiMarzo, Mark IV Construction, Team: Don Riley, Rich Rosen (architect, commercial land planner), Art Iantolucci.


Steve DiMarzo: We appreciate being invited, open communication. Passed around a booklet, a montage of all their projects.


Overview of Mark IV: a 50 year old company.  Booklet about resurrecting 300 Alexander.  Proud to be a corporation in heart of city at Cornhill Landing.


Mark IV has built 3,000 apartment units across county, preserved historic buildings. We saved old city hall from demolition. Also repurposed the H.H.Warner building to 48 lofts next to public transit building. We have 600 employees – we plow a lot of snow, do landscaping. We maintain & operate all our buildings & properties. We started the 10 Legacy Senior Living Communities, allowing people to stay in their neighborhood, including Clover-Blossom behind Mercy High School.


Most of townhomes in Corn Hill were built by Steve’s dad, as well as Corn Hill Landing. Our plan for Cornhill Landing was originally an office park. We wanted to develop interactive public space, like we’ve been discussing earlier, which resulted in a residential development.


The Karges Place project at 601 S Goodman: 


View building rendering:



Site Plan shows buildings facing and following the curve of the street, Karges Place. There is just one gap to allow access to parking lots on the north side of building. To reduce parking, there will be at grade parking under one building. There is some open space at the back, next to 490. Often development turns its back on the expressway. This will have windows overlooking the expressway, views of city.


This development offers a context for potential development on Karges, Uhlen across the street. It fills the “gap”.


Buildings will have contemporary design, with flat roofs, variations in façade: different colors and materials, such as masonry (like the local older buildings) with contrasting cladding materials. Main entrance at Karges Place; we hope to keep some of the existing trees. Our properties are very well landscaped. Common space for residents will be some rooftop patios and enclosed rooms on top floor corners. We’d like to provide community access for meetings.


It will be a strong gateway for the neighborhood: highly visible in this location, providing a sense of arrival.


There will be approximately 100 units: studios, one and two bedrooms.  One sample apartment layout: A 2 bedroom, 2 bath design, useful for students and young professionals sharing an apartment, with shared kitchen, living room.


  1. Height?
  2. 4 stories. As you look up from 490, it looks like 3 stories.


How will we fit with zoning regulations?

– The zoning is C-2 Commercial, which permits multi-family homes.

– There’s no allowance for low density and no lot coverage requirement.

– Zoning limits use per square foot of lot area.

– Parking requirements – we are substantially in compliance with that, may be a few spaces short.


How does this development integrate with the neighborhood?

These mid- to high- density residential modern apartments will be consistent with the existing uses in the neighborhood, and add to housing options. They will be market rate, reasonably priced. The density will support local businesses, and bringing people to add vitality, activity and safety to neighborhood. (And during construction, workers will spend money in local restaurants.)



Project development

Neighborhood engagement

Site plan review application – will soon submit. Approx. 5 wk process

City Releases preliminary site plan Findings (you can call and speak to a city planner)

SEQRA Environmental Determination by City

Application for Variances (Zoning Board approval; public Hearing)

Variance Approvals



  1. Is there a chance of a bike friendly path going from Goodman through (to Clinton)?
  2. There’s no egress at the other end.


  1. Does Mark IV support a bike share station near this development?
  2. We’d be happy to entertain that. It’s a good concept. We’re also considering solar, to offset rent.


  1. When will this go up?
  2. Best hope: fall 2017 excavation, completion 2018.


  1. Will the environmental quality affect how much you invest in into the site?
  2. Some environmental issues were found, contained in small area. We are getting water samples, etc.


  1. What is the mix of studio, 1 and 2 bedroom apartments?
  2. 50% 1 BR, 20% Studios, 30% 2 BR


  1. During construction, where will construction vehicles park?
  2. Construction should be able to park on site.


  1. Are there plans to widen the street? It’s one way.
  2. No plans at present


  1. How did you decide not to include commercial in 1stfloor?
  2. We never intended to have retail. There’s a lot on S. Clinton. It’s possible to encourage similar development in lot across the street.


  1. Will there be a physical barrier along 490?
  2. Just landscaping. No barrier. We’ve tried to pay attention to all sides of the building.


  1. One thing about Betlem, when they remodeled, they made an effort to look good to the street, but not in back.
  2. When we build here, it may encourage Betlem to do likewise.


  1. What market data did you use to support you can attract 100 residents?
  2. Our internal data, and that from the banks. We have confidence in our data: Corn Hill Landing filled up and remained full. 300 Alexander filled up and has a waiting list. HH Warner Building lost residents when transit center was built, but filled up again.


  1. What’s the price?
  2. $800 for a studio, $1700-1800 for a 2 bedroom.



  1. Nancy Johns Price– South East Neighborhood Service Center


Clean Sweep is on May 6 – Get your project applications in by early April!

Applications for mini clean sweeps are just one week in advance.


Neighborhood Service Centers will now be reporting to a new director as of Feb 14.  Daisy Algerin will be the new director.



  1. Community Sharing  (due to a tight schedule, we asked any community sharing announcements to be submitted via e-mail.)


Frederick Douglass Community Library, from Erin Clarke, Site Supervisor

Tech Tutor

Thursdays, February 16 and 23 from 4 to 5 p.m.

1-on-1 assistance with computer basics: internet, e-mail, Word, social media, job applications, resumes, and more. By appointment only, please call 428-8206 to sign up.


Movie Monday – Books That Became Movies

Monday, February 20 from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m.

Join us for “The 100 Year-Old Man Who Climbed Out the Window and Disappeared”, a movie which is part history, part adventure, and part comedy.  After a long and colorful life, Allan Karlsson finds himself stuck in a nursing home awaiting his 100th birthday. Determined to escape, he leaps out of a window and onto the nearest bus, setting off on an unexpected journey. No registration required.


Douglass Book Group

Monday, February 27 from 7 to 8 p.m.

Join us for a discussion of the book What Alice Forgot by Liane Moriarty. Alice Love is twenty-nine years old, madly in love with her husband, and pregnant with their first child. After a fall, she wakes up on the floor of a gym and discovers that she’s actually thirty-nine, has three children, and is in the midst of an acrimonious divorce.  Ten years of her life have suddenly disappeared, and Alice isn’t sure she likes who she’s become. It turns out that forgetting might be the most memorable thing that has ever happened to Alice. To register, please call 428-8206 or stop in at the Information Desk.

We also have a Facebook page that is updated regularly:



News from the Southwest Neighborhood Service Center:


Applications are now available online for the pilot leadership training series. We are pleased to say that our partnership with  SUNY Brockport, RACF, Monroe County, Neighbor works and the Southwest Common Council has resulted in quality courses, offered for free.

The subject matter for these courses, (team building, conflict resolution, community planning and the citizens role in it and serving on boards and commissions) was determined by results from the 2016 survey in which you told us which subjects would be most useful.  These courses are open to community leaders who wish to sharpen their skills as well as members of the community who are considering taking on a leadership role in the future. Spots are limited and will fill up quickly, so please visit cityofrochester.gov/swnsc and apply today. If you know of someone who shows promise in representing the community in the future, please encourage them to apply without delay, as the application deadline is February 24th.


Projects have been selected for the 2017 Flower City Work Camp which will take place in April. Please keep the referrals coming if you know of any owner occupants who could use some help. There are a few organizations who offer help throughout the year and we will make every effort to match your referrals with the volunteer efforts planned for the coming year.


We are also planning the 2017 outreach/ uplift schedule. If you know of a location which could benefit from an evening of information sharing and engagement with the NSC,RPD,RFD and health and human service agencies, please feel free to pass along your recommendations.


The next meeting of the Southwest Quadrant Team will be March 8, 2017 at 9:30 am.  These meetings, which are held at the Service Center at 923 Genesee Street, are an opportunity to share information with other neighborhood organizations and to take part in planning for the coming year.


Lastly, an FYI that applications are now being accepted for the Home Depot Community Impact Grant. Gift cards from $250-$5,000 are offered for projects and efforts which will benefit the community as a whole.


We are always happy to hear from our nbn6 neighbors through email; David.Hawkes@cityofrochester.gov or John.Mcmahon@cityofrochester.gov; by phone 428-


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